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Post by JP on May 21, 2008 18:59:25 GMT 1
We want Rock!!
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Post by Claret & Blue Army on May 25, 2008 13:42:21 GMT 1
Yeah bring back the Rock
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Post by Angie on Jun 9, 2008 21:41:50 GMT 1
I also agree, bring back the rock! I feel it suits the sport far more than the tweeny pop which has been played in recent times. However I am not sure JD is alone in the music selection, is James not involved in the process also? I think that they both are subject to rules about what they're allowed to play and what they're not. I am sure that last season a lot of rock tracks were sugested but were rejected as they were considered too well rocky
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Post by JP on Jun 10, 2008 17:40:33 GMT 1
I also agree, bring back the rock! I feel it suits the sport far more than the tweeny pop which has been played in recent times. However I am not sure JD is alone in the music selection, is James not involved in the process also? I think that they both are subject to rules about what they're allowed to play and what they're not. I am sure that last season a lot of rock tracks were sugested but were rejected as they were considered too well rocky Perhaps they should do a similar thing for the songs that we consider too kiddy/poppy  |
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Post by sallymahers on Jun 11, 2008 16:22:41 GMT 1
I also agree, bring back the rock! I feel it suits the sport far more than the tweeny pop which has been played in recent times. However I am not sure JD is alone in the music selection, is James not involved in the process also? I think that they both are subject to rules about what they're allowed to play and what they're not. I am sure that last season a lot of rock tracks were sugested but were rejected as they were considered too well rocky Okay...I am soooo sick of this rumour being perpetuated I have to say something. NEVER has James been told not to play something NEVER. He has been asked to vary the music played so there is a bit in there for everyone but that's all. If that means he plays 17 hard rock songs and one audience particpation song then another 17 rock songs I DONT CARE! As long as when you look into the crowd and they having a good time / responding to a track then it'll keep being played. The problem last season was the stuff being played was too repetitive and there is such a huge amount of tracks on the box (it's in the office at the minute) which never got played. I have no idea where this idea came from that James was told what to play but that is 100% NOT TRUE and it's really starting to get on my wick now!!! He can play what the hell he likes as long as it's A not really repetitive and B something to get the crowd going. The only "structured" requests of songs to play were things such as play related song ideas like tracks to play if there is a fight or a penalty or an away player that is disliked etc, and even then we just put suggestions of songs rather than instructions. James knows the game more than well enough to know when a certain song would work well. I just want to get that straight. Rock has never been off the agenda and if anyone has been told that or believes that then I suggest they come to me and talk to me about it so we can clear up what would appear to be an impression that rock is not allowed. It's called variety, 2500 people in the crowd will not all want the same thing but as long as good music is played and the crowd are having a great time then any song can be played. This "You can't play this or that" did not come from me and, as far as I know, did not come from Rob or John either who work on the matchnight presentation as well. I'm very sorry if i've come across as huffy but it's so annoying to continually read something that is wholly inaccurate! Thanks for listening! ;D |
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Post by Lee Francis on Jun 19, 2008 14:15:06 GMT 1
Yeah, that's all fair and well, but i heard that there are some songs that they are not permitted to play....................!!! haha, just kidding!
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Post by PW on Jun 20, 2008 17:19:20 GMT 1
...and I will go the other way.
Certainly during the treble year there were times when it was "suggested" by certain people (I remember John asking me what Enter Sandman was, which REALLY shocked me) that we ease off on the rock because "not enough people liked it". Certainly there was an "atmosphere" when I stuck stuff more than once in a row like Finch, My Chemical Romance and Taking Back Sunday on, never mind Arch Enemy and Children of Bodom and other such stuff...
It may have never openly been said as "don't play that" but there is a lot of, shall we say, nudging going on in the sense of "now play something so the crowd clap" or "we play this because so-and-so player chose it". People criticising James for not playing rock should really try doing it themselves-you are not allowed to play what you want to play by any means but rather very much get the effect the club wants.
Perhaps the best test is to print this out, show James (who I know enjoys putting the rock stuff on as that's his taste) and say "there you go-play what you like rather than stuff to get the crowd going/make the kids happy/give the family atmosphere. Then we'll see if the music changes or not...Angie has it about right...
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Post by JP on Jun 20, 2008 18:04:38 GMT 1
They play more rock 'n roll in jumpin jacks on a Friday night than they do at the dome lol.
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Post by Claret & Blue Army on Jun 21, 2008 23:08:48 GMT 1
They play more rock 'n roll in jumpin jacks on a Friday night than they do at the dome lol. Just link the 2 with a very long cable ;D |
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Post by sallymahers on Jun 23, 2008 10:37:29 GMT 1
...and I will go the other way. Certainly during the treble year there were times when it was "suggested" by certain people (I remember John asking me what Enter Sandman was, which REALLY shocked me) that we ease off on the rock because "not enough people liked it". Certainly there was an "atmosphere" when I stuck stuff more than once in a row like Finch, My Chemical Romance and Taking Back Sunday on, never mind Arch Enemy and Children of Bodom and other such stuff... It may have never openly been said as "don't play that" but there is a lot of, shall we say, nudging going on in the sense of "now play something so the crowd clap" or "we play this because so-and-so player chose it". People criticising James for not playing rock should really try doing it themselves-you are not allowed to play what you want to play by any means but rather very much get the effect the club wants. Perhaps the best test is to print this out, show James (who I know enjoys putting the rock stuff on as that's his taste) and say "there you go-play what you like rather than stuff to get the crowd going/make the kids happy/give the family atmosphere. Then we'll see if the music changes or not...Angie has it about right... Ah Mr Wheeler...took you longer than I thought it would! Perhaps Mr Dalziel did say some of that...I certainly didn't, the club didn't and JD as far as I know might have made a comment to vary it a bit more. Which, if you read my post, is exactly what I said. Variety, play lots of rock. But play other stuff too. It's not rocket science and neither is it the structured playlist people are making it out to be. As for printing it out and giving it to James well we have a meeting soon which we will be discussing music and the like and James will be told exactly the same as he always is. Play stuff which is play appropriate, play stuff that gets the crowd going and play lots of variety including rock. I love the "atmosphere" and the nudging comment and would quite like another member of the crew perhaps Rob to comment. You were very good at this job and, as far as I remember, were very happy. There was no atmosphere, no negativity, just a great atmosphere for the crowd and everyone having a good time. The comments from you have only arrived since you did not continue in this role. I have asked James on numerous occasions whether he felt restricted, whether he was uncomfortable as he shouldn't feel that way and whether he had commented on this to anyone and funnily enough he always says no! Strange that, if someone goes out of their way to make sure someone isn't feeling uncomfortable in the job or like they don't have a free reign and they seem perfectly happy yet they tell others something different. Perhaps it's time I have another talk with James to get to the bottom of this. Finally, as you well know Paul, the only times the team commented on things to play were on occasions such as people being sent off and the types of tune which get the crowd going and joining in with. Something you were very good at and were very big on....but I forgot you didn't really play rock, were constantly told what to play and had an arm behind your back the whole time. What a complete and utter load of old tosh. I'm sorry but i'm fed up of defending a position which doesn't need to be defended. If James is unhappy I will discuss with him whether he wants to carry on and in the meantime the crew will continue to look at what works and what people enjoy and what gets people going and will continue to play that. Finally they will begin to NOT listen to the forum minority of three who think they can dictate what 2500 people enjoy. That's enough from me, to be honest Paul had a point. I do wish people would try something for once instead of hiding behind computers to make their point. I also would really love to know what happened to Paul 0405 who couldn't have been more helpful and the ,IMO, bitter negative version you morphed into after that season. |
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Post by Dave on Jun 23, 2008 12:16:30 GMT 1
I have always enjoyed the music they play at the Skydome and think they have a good mix.
The fact that a few guys on a forum are moaning about what is getting played is not going to change anything, so my suggestion is you look at what gets played at NHL games, I'm sure there will be a website somewhere of playlist's at NHL games or even AHL/ECHL/CHL all same kind of audience. Then if you can see songs that get played regularly at these games that you want to hear at the dome, then you have something to go on when requesting that these songs get played at the dome. So my point is, how many people that moan about what gets played have actually got in contact (not just spoken to in a bar), but put down on paper songs that they would like to hear and given this information to James, Rob etc who organise the matchnight entertainment.
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Post by PW on Jun 23, 2008 17:47:55 GMT 1
That's enough from me, to be honest Paul had a point. I do wish people would try something for once instead of hiding behind computers to make their point. You mean like I did for a year? James does a better job than me. That I will say here and now. And that was why I wanted him to replace me when I left. James is not to blame for the lack of rock-and in fairness neither is any single person within the club. But as an entity with the "let's try and please everyone" thesis, there are problems. The matchnight team are second to none-they're just given too many different groups to please. Why not (just to settle the issue once and for all) say to them "sod getting the crowd going, sod what everyone else thinks-just create what you think is a "proper" hockey night...and see what you get? Well...you asked. That would be something to do with nearly getting banned from watching the sport he loved (I am told by many that the quote "he's never coming in my rink again" figured heavily that season and indeed was briefly prevented from entering by security on management orders when I came back from Germany in February) by the very people he'd tried to help, simply because his opinion was different to theirs, spat at by random Blaze fans who I'd never seen in my life, threatened with physical violence at the Cologne game because I was sat with my friends from there and had the audacity to wear a Germany shirt to the Iserlohn game... Oh, and being blamed for tipping off the Canadian media and told that there was "proof" I had had a word with the Canadian papers about the same issue-as told to the person accusing me by someone within the organisation. Even though that last bit was laughable, the fact that someone felt able to say it can change your opinion of an organisation pretty quickly. To put it in the words of an ex-Elite League player, slightly modified, and expressed by people who still give their time to the club... "they present themselves as a family club-they're not any more." Believe or not, though-the Blaze are still my team...I just take everything the club says with a pinch of salt now. But, saying all that-any time you need help or want face-to-face ideas rather than "hiding behind a keyboard", I'll be stood at the North End, behind the goal, on the vast majority if not every home game. James has my number. My email is publicly available through either the Breakaway Blog or the profile section of this forum. All you need to do if you want anything done by me to help the Blaze, or just sort out anything you think is going on, is come up and say hi...I've got no stubborn pride to defend, sponsors to bow to or axe to grind-I threw all that away a long time ago as far as hockey is concerned... |
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Post by Claret & Blue Army on Jun 23, 2008 19:09:14 GMT 1
This is a good debate so let's keep it on topic without the personal barbs flying about.
Thank You
The Forum ModsMod head now off.. ;D Davey makes a good point about writing down stuff....why not use this vehicle to assist in that. As for the debate to its extremes I think the answer lies somewhere in the middle. The 2,000 fans that attend the games have very eclectic music tastes but there do appear to be some genres missing out. I applaud all members on this forum for saying what they truly believe and don't feel compromised to express their opinions at either extreme. Right back on with the mass debate  Let's rock 
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Post by bexblaze07 on Jun 23, 2008 19:49:47 GMT 1
As long as it's not high school musical i don't mind!
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Post by robbiec45 on Jun 23, 2008 21:56:37 GMT 1
...and I will go the other way. Certainly during the treble year there were times when it was "suggested" by certain people (I remember John asking me what Enter Sandman was, which REALLY shocked me) that we ease off on the rock because "not enough people liked it". Certainly there was an "atmosphere" when I stuck stuff more than once in a row like Finch, My Chemical Romance and Taking Back Sunday on, never mind Arch Enemy and Children of Bodom and other such stuff... It may have never openly been said as "don't play that" but there is a lot of, shall we say, nudging going on in the sense of "now play something so the crowd clap" or "we play this because so-and-so player chose it". People criticising James for not playing rock should really try doing it themselves-you are not allowed to play what you want to play by any means but rather very much get the effect the club wants. Perhaps the best test is to print this out, show James (who I know enjoys putting the rock stuff on as that's his taste) and say "there you go-play what you like rather than stuff to get the crowd going/make the kids happy/give the family atmosphere. Then we'll see if the music changes or not...Angie has it about right... Paul, Im very dissapointed that you actually feel you were "pressured" into playing certain songs. The only time songs were suggested was when a player was chirping at the ref, a sending off etc... You know as well as I do that when the team is playing crap Its up to us to try and get the crowd into it to get the team going. Thommo has said on numerous occasions that the team came out flat and all credit to the crowd they hung in there and helped the guys out they were the 7th man, So if any music suggestions were ever given out I am sure you would have been involved in any decision made. It was a team effort to get the crowd involved on a match night to which I do beleive you took the high fives and congrats when a so called "clappy" song was played and the crowd reacted. If you did feel like you were being told to play certain music why the hell did you not speak to me or john or sally and express your feelings ?? We are a team on the media gallery and always have been. Which is why I asked you who would be a good guy to take over from you and fit in to the job when you went to Germany. As for getting someone like Grant Charman back in with his type of music, IMO Bad move !! All he played was rock and I for one was bored of it. At least now we have a more mixed bag of stuff. No disrepect to Grant as he did a good job of making it hostile for away teams. Everyone is welcome to put forward music suggestions and we as always will look into them, Paul even some of your music made it to the box so that surely shows we listen  One last point James does a very tough job imo as you well know you cannot please everyone and we have to look at the wider picture. This day in age hockey is for all ages and types and that is how it will be in the future so we have to look at having a better selection this year and play all different types of music. James has already expressed his desire to carry on with the job this year and I for one think its good for us. James does so much behind the scenes that people dont see and I would struggle to find someone else who helps me out the way James does. Good choice Wheeler Regards Rob |
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