On This Day

[slblaze03]

A couple of things...... (by the way,it's not that I wont let this drop it's more I love a good argument!)

I am not (and never did) comparing the war to "gravity" I am saying if there were no gravity there would be no civilisation and if there were no history there would be no present.

I did not tell you to "respect the facts" I suggested you have respect for the men who gave their lives to the cause and that's all.

9/11 wasn't a "fact" neither were the madrid bombings, they were an event that took place in our history. I didnt tell you to respect them either. And in all honesty I don't understand your point behind that statement. What exactly don't you respect, the terrosists? The event itself? The fire crews and supports workers helping to pull people out of the rubble?

At least you accept history has shaped the events of today. You still can't even remotely argue that is it "useless info" perhaps it's not your cup of tea and perhaps you don't care about thousands of people dying for your country, perhaps you don't care about all the families they left behind and maybe you don't care about Coventry and the blitz and the history behind that. I accept that. I accept you're ignorant and you wish to remain in your "i wasn;t involved so it doesnt affect me attitude" I just find it galling that people can't find one minute to respect the event and the people involved.

It is boring you're right and maybe over covered (by the way if you didnt want to watch the events TEXT was on the other channel) but many, many people wanted to pay their respects and thats what they did.

By the way, out of interest..... do you resepct the troops in Iraq at the minute becuase that isnt "history" or indeed useless info, thats the present. Just wondered.

[King Rich]

Nah it's all good, I love a good argument too, as long as it doesn't get nasty

You did tell me to respect the facts, and I didn't understand your point there, so I took it literally. Of course I have respect for the men involved in D-day, I just don't choose to shout about it one day a year for my entire life.

I still feel that everything that happened that long ago is useless info. Do you care about all the British men that died at the Battle of Hastings? To me there is no difference between the two events. I might respect them for going into battle, but it doesn't mean I care that they actually did.

There's no point dwelling on things that can no longer affect me in the present day.

Yes I respect the troops in Iraq like I respect the guys at d-day.... the difference is I care about the troops in Iraq - it is something relevant to the present day, and I'm interested to know what's goin down over there.

Don't you think everyone could be doing something more constructive than talking about stuff that's already happened and can't be changed?

[Claret & Blue Army]

At the risk of playing devils advocate here there are some interesting points.
Firstly I appreciate all the effort and sacrifice that went into both of the two main European wars in the 20th century as ramifications for the future certainly were prevalent.

As for King Richs point about marking one day for D-Day and not as per his example Battle of Hastings, i see his point. We already have November 11th as rememberance day for men (And women) who lost their lives in ALL wars. One special day per calendar year is about right as too much would lose the focus, As for having another marked day- lobbyists have been campaiging for Trafalgar day for years to mark the day we kicked Napolean up the rear and ended his plans for global domination.
However, this year marked a milestone year i.e. 60th anniversary (Not 57th or 62nd etc) and therefore warrants some commeration. It works both ways, next year will be the 60th anniversary of V-E day the year after will be the 40th of England winning the world cup, you see it's all about perspective. You always celebrate your 18th or 21st birthday more than your 28th!

What it does point out is that micro or macro historical event compose all our lives whatever our position on a number of issues.

[King Rich]

I don't mean to sound ignorant (well I do) but there's a V-E day?

[Claret & Blue Army]

There was only one V-E day in 1995 to celebrate (!?) 50 years since the end of hostilities. Not sure whether it'll be done with as much pomp next year.

Hopefully November 2018 will be a special occasion to mark 100 years following end of WW1

Incidentally isn't it 24 years some time soon since victory in the Falklands (V-F day anyone?)
Good job we've never had a conflict with Denmark I shudder to think what it'd be called

[King Rich]

Why celebrate 100 years since the end of WW1? It's just another year, so what if its a "round" number? Maybe I'm just being argumentative.

[Dave]

I agree with everyone in some way. I don't believe King Rich is ignorant, nor do I believe that sally lissaman, is over exaggerating the importance of remembering historic events such as d-day. I just believe, that King Rich is all about the present and future, although he does still have respect for the men that died during wars and what not, he just thinks the whole thing is over played and there is no need for all the media coverage of the anniversary of D-Day! It's good to see a good old argument, keep it up!

PEACE!

[SallyMahers]

Why would you think the views of SLblaze 03 are the views of Sally Lissaman?

[King Rich]

As an admin I am all-knowing... and I told him. Hehe. Why, are you ashamed of your views?

[SallyMahers]

Not at all, just thought my oh so clever sign in name would fox people!!!?

Just from a club perspective though I try and keep my views to myself on lots of things, not on subjects like this though as it is something I have strong views on (if you havent guessed!)

[King Rich]

Yeah I was gonna change dave's post to say "slblaze03" but i guess its too late now! I noticed you have like 4 accounts or something! Do ya keep forgetting your password?

Can we argue some more now? ;D

[SallyMahers]

I had a few problems at the very beginning which kept logging me out etc. The old mod was going to see what he could do but nothing could be done with them. The only two which work are the two I use (for various reasons) I will argue some more soon but have lots of work to do so will argue tonight!!

[King Rich]

Alrite fair enough, but ya know the old mod was pretty useless (sorry, couldnt resist)!

OK well I'm awaiting your reply on the D-day issue!

[Claret & Blue Army]

King said:

Why celebrate 100 years since the end of WW1? It's just another year, so what if its a "round" number? Maybe I'm just being argumentative.

I don't think you should ever celebrate the end of a war but the fact is that a whole century removed from a major historical event is a phenomenal milestone.
Think I'm over elaborating? Well every year on December 25th we celebrate the birth of someone born many more years ago (Garry McAllister for all the Cov City fans!). Also look at birthdays in general and compare the following two phrases for their general usage;

"Doing anything special for your Birthday?"
"Doing anything special on July 17th?"

And woe betide any male who forgets an anniversary that their girls hold dear!!!

Have to say I do like this debate immensely ;D

[Rich]

I am well chuffed this thread that I started off is so popular. Even though I never mentioned D-Day in my origional post. I was just saying that the Italian Job was on TV on 6th June 2002. 6 years ago today France 98 kicked off. Brazil beat Scotland 2-1 and Morroco and Norway drew 2-2. Hadji scored for Morroco in that game and Chippo scored an own goal. Both them players went on to be Morrocan Magicians for a season at Coventry City.