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Post by davetheblaze on Jan 13, 2006 16:19:19 GMT 1
When a keeper is out of the crease should they be fair game for a body check, Im not sure what the official rules are on this but they dont often get pinged.
Personally I think they should be treated as any other player when they arent in the crease, make the crease bigger if necessary.
Id just like to know what other people think.
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Post by Carpo on Jan 13, 2006 17:04:09 GMT 1
Well the rule is as follows:
➤ 3. A goalkeeper is not “Fair Game” just because he
is outside of the goal crease area. A penalty for interference
or charging should be called in every case
where an opposing player makes unnecessary contact
with a goalkeeper.
Personally i feel that being a hockey goalie is already one of the, if not the toughest position in all team sports. No need to make it harder than it already is and i don't think it would add anything to the game.
Just my 2p.
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Post by davetheblaze on Jan 13, 2006 18:25:06 GMT 1
Your 2p is welcome but i have no problem with a keeper round the back getting a shove, i dont like it when they are in their crease though.
Some keepers annoy me enough to warrant it in my opinion but not every nm.
Its a pretty minor penalty though so I am suprised it doesnt happen more but I suppose it does attract a lot of attention from other players.
Is the NM free to skate up to the half way line with the puck without contact being allowed?
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Post by Carpo on Jan 15, 2006 19:08:48 GMT 1
The thing is, it's not fair to expect the goalies to brace themselves to be bodychecked. They have a big enough and important enough role in the game and therefore IMO deserve to be protected.
As for the 'can they skate up to the half way line without being any contact'.
The answer this no. I think this is the thing where you look at the difference between contact and checking. Putting in simply, a goalie using a goalie stick wouldn't be able to stickhandle the puck that far and would just have it taken off them. I've no problem with goalies having contact out of the crease, but checking shouldn't be permitted IMO.
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Post by davetheblaze on Jan 15, 2006 19:46:17 GMT 1
Well I will just except that we have different opinions but its refreshing to not be talking about last week.
Incidently dont get the idea that I dont respect keepers and if I were to choose a position that would be it, whether I could do it is a different matter.
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Post by Claret & Blue Army on Jan 16, 2006 18:45:09 GMT 1
Talking of keepers leaving the crease I feel Mark Bernard was harshly done by to get such an extravagent penalty last night. 2 minutes alone would have been fair enough. It kind of killed the match as a competitive contest at that point
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Post by PW on Jan 16, 2006 19:04:18 GMT 1
Many people claim that goalies are protected well enough in order to take hits, and thus the rule should be allowed. However, unlike an outskater a goalie´s armour is almost all focused forward, and is toughened in order to stop pucks...if stickhandling and nailed with a full-force hit, they risk serious injury. It´s also an unwritten rule that, due to the inherent dangers of the position and the respect other players have for goalies, they are not considered as fair game at any point, and anyone who goes beyond a given line will get dealt with by the opposition...I remember a Chaos game where one of our goalies was hit deliberately while attempting to stickhandle...I was one of three or four players who then went steaming in on the culprit.
Teams will always protect their goalies-even in the NHL, goalies are given slightly more time and space to handle the puck, as you can see players either ease off slightly or use their stick rather than their bodies to attempt to win a puck.
In or out of the crease, keepers should be left alone unless they throw a punch.
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Post by davetheblaze on Jan 16, 2006 20:25:20 GMT 1
Did Bernard skate over the half way line, I wasnt there so I cant say.
But I am sure the NHL doesnt allow a keeper to skate past halfway, Carpo will be able to answer this one.
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Post by Carpo on Jan 16, 2006 20:43:41 GMT 1
Did Bernard skate over the half way line, I wasnt there so I cant say. But I am sure the NHL doesnt allow a keeper to skate past halfway, Carpo will be able to answer this one. Not sure, i think the rule is the same but i couldn't say for certain. |
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Post by davetheblaze on Jan 16, 2006 21:33:49 GMT 1
That would be a ejection wouldnt it?
Im not sure but can check if its important.
Interestingly the rule about crossing the centre line was brought in because of a keeper who used to skate up as if he was a forward and try to score. That would make Jody look like a stay at home non-risk taking keeper.
So if a player did deliberately check a keeper out of the crease, would they only get a minor or would it depend on the severity?
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Post by Claret & Blue Army on Jan 16, 2006 23:12:37 GMT 1
How far did Mr Aubry skate up in the recent home fixture when he challenged Martin Klempa to a spot of fisticuffs?
This was the one where our guy declined and simply pointed at a scoreboard showing us 3 goals to the good ;D
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Post by davetheblaze on Jan 16, 2006 23:24:43 GMT 1
I dont think Aubry went past the blue line but i could be wrong.
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Post by Carpo on Jan 17, 2006 18:42:19 GMT 1
Skating past the centre red line and being active in play is a 2 minute minor penalty under the International rulebook.
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Post by davetheblaze on Jan 17, 2006 19:56:23 GMT 1
Is 'active in play' down to referee discretion?
Carpo, where do you get all these rules from, do you have a collection of rulebooks? You seem to be the most reliable on rules on here
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Post by Carpo on Jan 17, 2006 20:55:12 GMT 1
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